Comments on: Empty promise of privacy in Facebook http://www.techiteasy.org/2008/01/12/empty-promise-of-privacy-in-facebook/ A Technology and Business Weblog provided to You by a Global Group of Friends. Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:44:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Ruth http://www.techiteasy.org/2008/01/12/empty-promise-of-privacy-in-facebook/#comment-3593 Ruth Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:42:14 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2008/01/12/empty-promise-of-privacy-in-facebook/#comment-3593 lol lol

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By: Vincent van Wylick http://www.techiteasy.org/2008/01/12/empty-promise-of-privacy-in-facebook/#comment-3591 Vincent van Wylick Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:56:15 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2008/01/12/empty-promise-of-privacy-in-facebook/#comment-3591 I gotta say, Ruth, now I'm curious to see your picture :D I gotta say, Ruth, now I’m curious to see your picture :D

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By: Ruth http://www.techiteasy.org/2008/01/12/empty-promise-of-privacy-in-facebook/#comment-3592 Ruth Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:15:16 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2008/01/12/empty-promise-of-privacy-in-facebook/#comment-3592 Also there is a difference between for example your photo being put on a friends profile as a collage of friends, which I wouldn't mind too much and any old person being able to rate my 'attractiveness', 'friendliness' or whatever; what will facebook do when some teen kills themselves because of lots of negative comments on them on a app like this? So essentially I have no problem with others (who aren't my friend) seeing my picture. I need it for profile searches as I have quite a common name so people can work out I am the right person in the search, but the problem I have is about people rating me and them storing other peoples comments on me etc without my permission or informing me. I have found one app doing this, but I am sure there are many more - and I can't block /opt out of them unless I know they exist (unless I block all apps), that's the problem. I'm not really sure that random people rating other people apps should actually be allowed on facebook in my opinion anyways, but I can see that perhaps an app where friends can rate friends who have opted in and only friends can see the comments could be quite fun and as you have opted in you would be aware of what was going on and could opt out if it stopped being fun for you. On the comments of the app I found there was a girl who was very upset as people had been commenting on her saying she had stds and stuff and she didn't even know she was on there - this is blatantly unacceptable. Interesting aside: I wonder if my 'attractiveness' will be very different on different apps :S Also there is a difference between for example your photo being put on a friends profile as a collage of friends, which I wouldn’t mind too much and any old person being able to rate my ‘attractiveness’, ‘friendliness’ or whatever; what will facebook do when some teen kills themselves because of lots of negative comments on them on a app like this?

So essentially I have no problem with others (who aren’t my friend) seeing my picture. I need it for profile searches as I have quite a common name so people can work out I am the right person in the search, but the problem I have is about people rating me and them storing other peoples comments on me etc without my permission or informing me.

I have found one app doing this, but I am sure there are many more – and I can’t block /opt out of them unless I know they exist (unless I block all apps), that’s the problem.

I’m not really sure that random people rating other people apps should actually be allowed on facebook in my opinion anyways, but I can see that perhaps an app where friends can rate friends who have opted in and only friends can see the comments could be quite fun and as you have opted in you would be aware of what was going on and could opt out if it stopped being fun for you.

On the comments of the app I found there was a girl who was very upset as people had been commenting on her saying she had stds and stuff and she didn’t even know she was on there – this is blatantly unacceptable.

Interesting aside: I wonder if my ‘attractiveness’ will be very different on different apps :S

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By: Kari Silvennoinen http://www.techiteasy.org/2008/01/12/empty-promise-of-privacy-in-facebook/#comment-3594 Kari Silvennoinen Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:19:28 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2008/01/12/empty-promise-of-privacy-in-facebook/#comment-3594 In my opinion, it's the developers responsibility to respect privacy. It doesn't make a single bit of business sense, but in my opinion the default should be opt-in and not opt-out. I really agree that Facebook itself is doing the best they can now, but they should've acted earlier and, well, it's still quite hard to trust them after the whole Beacon thing. It's the third party applications I'm worried about. In my opinion, it’s the developers responsibility to respect privacy. It doesn’t make a single bit of business sense, but in my opinion the default should be opt-in and not opt-out.

I really agree that Facebook itself is doing the best they can now, but they should’ve acted earlier and, well, it’s still quite hard to trust them after the whole Beacon thing. It’s the third party applications I’m worried about.

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By: Yann Le Gouic http://www.techiteasy.org/2008/01/12/empty-promise-of-privacy-in-facebook/#comment-3595 Yann Le Gouic Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:16:58 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2008/01/12/empty-promise-of-privacy-in-facebook/#comment-3595 You can opt out of the facebook platform or of specifics apps. You can also limit the amount of information that applications can grab. It's true that some devs are not respecting the TOS. But imho it should be user's responsability to set the right privacy settings. Anyway facebook is acting pretty good in this way now. They are coming over the downsides of the platform. You can opt out of the facebook platform or of specifics apps.

You can also limit the amount of information that applications can grab.

It’s true that some devs are not respecting the TOS. But imho it should be user’s responsability to set the right privacy settings.

Anyway facebook is acting pretty good in this way now. They are coming over the downsides of the platform.

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By: Vincent van Wylick http://www.techiteasy.org/2008/01/12/empty-promise-of-privacy-in-facebook/#comment-3590 Vincent van Wylick Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:23:24 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2008/01/12/empty-promise-of-privacy-in-facebook/#comment-3590 Well as far as Facebook being a spam-engine, I am in total agreement. All the 'walls applications are totally designed to spread crap virally, some of them have as an only link "fast-forward" below them, it's not even about replying anymore. For some, Facebook has included labelling it as "junk," but for others there's simply no solution, except to go to the 'notifications' settings and turn off any applications that show up there, including labelling them as 'spam'. In your 'privacy' settings, in 'other applications' you can also turn off sharing stuff like your picture. As I said, Facebook's settings, when you dig deep down, are surprisingly extensive. Sure there are gaps, but I can't say that they're not working on it. Well as far as Facebook being a spam-engine, I am in total agreement. All the ‘walls applications are totally designed to spread crap virally, some of them have as an only link “fast-forward” below them, it’s not even about replying anymore. For some, Facebook has included labelling it as “junk,” but for others there’s simply no solution, except to go to the ‘notifications’ settings and turn off any applications that show up there, including labelling them as ‘spam’.

In your ‘privacy’ settings, in ‘other applications’ you can also turn off sharing stuff like your picture.

As I said, Facebook’s settings, when you dig deep down, are surprisingly extensive. Sure there are gaps, but I can’t say that they’re not working on it.

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By: Kari Silvennoinen http://www.techiteasy.org/2008/01/12/empty-promise-of-privacy-in-facebook/#comment-3597 Kari Silvennoinen Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:04:18 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2008/01/12/empty-promise-of-privacy-in-facebook/#comment-3597 The difference of the situations in your first paragraph's examples is that the latter case is in public. The first example is covered by fair use. Yes, and I do agree, your second paragraph, it is totally party-pooping and I do not mean to be a killjoy. Unfortunately, that is the "right" way to do it. On some level I do not mind that people rank me behind me back. The problem is that there are people developing these applications in violation of Facebook's own privacy standards. There are even some applications which send me directly e-mail that "your friend did something or other". I've not given my friend or Facebook the right to give my e-mail address to this application. In simpler terms, some Facebook applications even go as far as to spam you. The Facebook developer forums are full of ethical people asking how they could accelerate the membership numbers of their apps without resorting to these spammy and shady practices. Unfortunately, as long as the situation is this, they can't. The difference of the situations in your first paragraph’s examples is that the latter case is in public. The first example is covered by fair use.

Yes, and I do agree, your second paragraph, it is totally party-pooping and I do not mean to be a killjoy. Unfortunately, that is the “right” way to do it. On some level I do not mind that people rank me behind me back. The problem is that there are people developing these applications in violation of Facebook’s own privacy standards.

There are even some applications which send me directly e-mail that “your friend did something or other”. I’ve not given my friend or Facebook the right to give my e-mail address to this application. In simpler terms, some Facebook applications even go as far as to spam you.

The Facebook developer forums are full of ethical people asking how they could accelerate the membership numbers of their apps without resorting to these spammy and shady practices. Unfortunately, as long as the situation is this, they can’t.

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By: Vincent van Wylick http://www.techiteasy.org/2008/01/12/empty-promise-of-privacy-in-facebook/#comment-3596 Vincent van Wylick Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:22:47 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2008/01/12/empty-promise-of-privacy-in-facebook/#comment-3596 It's a pretty tricky situation. For instance, if one of your friends took your picture <em>offline</em> and decided to post a funwall of friends' pictures on his house, is that a violation of your privacy? If you post your picture <em>online</em> and give access to your friends to view it, can they then use that picture in whatever application they choose? If the latter were not the case, the situation would probably be as follows: Your friend installs an application which rates his friends. A notification is sent out to you whether you want to be rated, you can accept of deny, and I assume you will deny to be listed on hottest vampires of the 21st century? While this is probably much more privacy-respecting, I would also call it totally… party-pooping. The only sure way to not have anyone use your data is to only upload data you want to share—with the knowledge that anything you share can and will be used against you—and to be very strict in your privacy-settings—which, apart from the 3rd party app situation you outlined, are surprisingly broad. Incidentally, if you think about it, your argument is the same one employed by the media-industry against piracy. It’s a pretty tricky situation. For instance, if one of your friends took your picture offline and decided to post a funwall of friends’ pictures on his house, is that a violation of your privacy? If you post your picture online and give access to your friends to view it, can they then use that picture in whatever application they choose?

If the latter were not the case, the situation would probably be as follows: Your friend installs an application which rates his friends. A notification is sent out to you whether you want to be rated, you can accept of deny, and I assume you will deny to be listed on hottest vampires of the 21st century? While this is probably much more privacy-respecting, I would also call it totally… party-pooping.

The only sure way to not have anyone use your data is to only upload data you want to share—with the knowledge that anything you share can and will be used against you—and to be very strict in your privacy-settings—which, apart from the 3rd party app situation you outlined, are surprisingly broad.

Incidentally, if you think about it, your argument is the same one employed by the media-industry against piracy.

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