Comments on: US subprime crunch impact on high tech http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/08/30/us-subprime-crunch-impact-on-high-tech/ By and For Technology and Business Geeks Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:45:55 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Is 2008 the year of instant communication nirvana? « Tech IT Easy http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/08/30/us-subprime-crunch-impact-on-high-tech/#comment-3117 Is 2008 the year of instant communication nirvana? « Tech IT Easy Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:24:03 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2007/08/30/us-subprime-crunch-impact-on-high-tech/#comment-3117 [...] yet no doubt we’ll see copies of aforementioned services in 2008. This of course depends on how the US economy and therefore VC funds will hold up. As we have seen before, changes are quick and some of the huge web properties might end up [...] [...] yet no doubt we’ll see copies of aforementioned services in 2008. This of course depends on how the US economy and therefore VC funds will hold up. As we have seen before, changes are quick and some of the huge web properties might end up [...]

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By: Kari http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/08/30/us-subprime-crunch-impact-on-high-tech/#comment-3121 Kari Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:48:41 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2007/08/30/us-subprime-crunch-impact-on-high-tech/#comment-3121 While Greenspan is/was the maestro of US financial markets, as an amateur economist, I'd like to remind you the quote that is usually attributed to the Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Samuelson, "Economists have correctly predicted nine of the last five recessions". While Greenspan is/was the maestro of US financial markets, as an amateur economist, I’d like to remind you the quote that is usually attributed to the Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Samuelson, “Economists have correctly predicted nine of the last five recessions”.

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By: Jeremy Fain http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/08/30/us-subprime-crunch-impact-on-high-tech/#comment-3120 Jeremy Fain Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:04:33 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2007/08/30/us-subprime-crunch-impact-on-high-tech/#comment-3120 Why are we too young to remember? Why "take your money"??? Marc, sorry to say so, but there are times I find it hard to understand your comments. Perhaps I'm growing old and my neural network deteriorates... Why are we too young to remember? Why “take your money”??? Marc, sorry to say so, but there are times I find it hard to understand your comments. Perhaps I’m growing old and my neural network deteriorates…

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By: Marc Duchesne http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/08/30/us-subprime-crunch-impact-on-high-tech/#comment-3123 Marc Duchesne Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:35:22 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2007/08/30/us-subprime-crunch-impact-on-high-tech/#comment-3123 Folks : you're too young to remember, but keep in mind the following fact. The last time Greenspan said "the American economy might slip into recession by year's end", the Internet Bubble exploded just a few months later. The guy did it again last February. No wonder why this current tornado... So, fasten your seat belts, it's going to shake up quite a bit for the next couple of years. The time for Greenspan and his peers to find another economy sector to put their money - ooops, sorry, to take your money - in. Folks : you’re too young to remember, but keep in mind the following fact. The last time Greenspan said “the American economy might slip into recession by year’s end”, the Internet Bubble exploded just a few months later.

The guy did it again last February. No wonder why this current tornado…

So, fasten your seat belts, it’s going to shake up quite a bit for the next couple of years.

The time for Greenspan and his peers to find another economy sector to put their money – ooops, sorry, to take your money – in.

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By: Jeremy Fain http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/08/30/us-subprime-crunch-impact-on-high-tech/#comment-3122 Jeremy Fain Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:45:43 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2007/08/30/us-subprime-crunch-impact-on-high-tech/#comment-3122 Vince> we disagree on something: I don't think banks are of any help for poor entrepreneurs; 100% copy on the rest of your comment Marianne> I love community marketing ManuPD> I agree with everything, but hey, I needed to write a blogpost, right? Vince> we disagree on something: I don’t think banks are of any help for poor entrepreneurs; 100% copy on the rest of your comment

Marianne> I love community marketing

ManuPD> I agree with everything, but hey, I needed to write a blogpost, right?

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By: Emmanuel Perez-Duarte http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/08/30/us-subprime-crunch-impact-on-high-tech/#comment-3124 Emmanuel Perez-Duarte Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:03:42 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2007/08/30/us-subprime-crunch-impact-on-high-tech/#comment-3124 Quite an interesting post Jeremy. I have little time to go very deep in my comment, but just a few remarks: - Let's not forget there are two sides of the crisis: one is the slowdown and progressive downturn of the US housing market (<i>as a whole</i>, but of course this is particularly visible for the subprime borrowers) that has been going on for 15 months already; the other one is the liquidity crisis that arose from the realization that sofisticated risk-sharing financial instruments backed on subprime mortgages were indeed impossible to price. - I therefore disagree with the fact that there could be no impact on retail. Even more, I do believe there WILL be, and I'm not the only one thinking so. Why? Just as in every single housing market downturn, households spend less when their house price falls (even more so in the US, where mortgage equity withdrawals are particularly used). - But besides this, this "crisis" is in no way a cyclical economic downturn, as growth prospects throughout the world are strong (with the exception of the US of course, which should grow at about 2% in 2007, ie below potential: but there is absolutely no recession in view), corporate profits should remain also strong -including in banks. - Therefore I see little impact on the software industry, except for those companies with strong and/or sole exposure to the US consumer goods markets -and that's quite a few companies of course, but IMHO let's not dramatize the situation more than it needs to be. Quite an interesting post Jeremy.

I have little time to go very deep in my comment, but just a few remarks:

- Let’s not forget there are two sides of the crisis: one is the slowdown and progressive downturn of the US housing market (as a whole, but of course this is particularly visible for the subprime borrowers) that has been going on for 15 months already; the other one is the liquidity crisis that arose from the realization that sofisticated risk-sharing financial instruments backed on subprime mortgages were indeed impossible to price.

- I therefore disagree with the fact that there could be no impact on retail. Even more, I do believe there WILL be, and I’m not the only one thinking so. Why? Just as in every single housing market downturn, households spend less when their house price falls (even more so in the US, where mortgage equity withdrawals are particularly used).

- But besides this, this “crisis” is in no way a cyclical economic downturn, as growth prospects throughout the world are strong (with the exception of the US of course, which should grow at about 2% in 2007, ie below potential: but there is absolutely no recession in view), corporate profits should remain also strong -including in banks.

- Therefore I see little impact on the software industry, except for those companies with strong and/or sole exposure to the US consumer goods markets -and that’s quite a few companies of course, but IMHO let’s not dramatize the situation more than it needs to be.

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By: marianne http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/08/30/us-subprime-crunch-impact-on-high-tech/#comment-3125 marianne Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:00:35 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2007/08/30/us-subprime-crunch-impact-on-high-tech/#comment-3125 It should be noted that there is a differentiated value for subprime or stated income loans in the commercial lending market. This loan type is not entirely bad despite the abuse of some in the residential lending arena. Oftentimes, individuals that want to start or acquire a small business, purchase a gas station, acquire a motel, open an auto repair shop or any of a myriad of sole proprietor establishements, and do not have the portfolio that would make them attractive to the big box leaders. Lending companies like <a href="http://www.oceancapitalonline.com" rel="nofollow">Ocean Capital in Rhode Island</a> offer subprime and stated income loans by using up close and personal evaluations of the borrower and the opportunity. We need companies like this to support new business opportunities. It should be noted that there is a differentiated value for subprime or stated income loans in the commercial lending market. This loan type is not entirely bad despite the abuse of some in the residential lending arena. Oftentimes, individuals that want to start or acquire a small business, purchase a gas station, acquire a motel, open an auto repair shop or any of a myriad of sole proprietor establishements, and do not have the portfolio that would make them attractive to the big box leaders. Lending companies like Ocean Capital in Rhode Island offer subprime and stated income loans by using up close and personal evaluations of the borrower and the opportunity. We need companies like this to support new business opportunities.

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By: Vincent van Wylick http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/08/30/us-subprime-crunch-impact-on-high-tech/#comment-3126 Vincent van Wylick Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:42:12 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2007/08/30/us-subprime-crunch-impact-on-high-tech/#comment-3126 Well no, I don;t disagree with what you are saying. Nevertheless, banks play an important role in financing very early stage start-ups, before even business angels get involved. A credit-crunch at the bank-level can have a direct effect, but also an indirect one, by making financial decision-making for private investors like business angels more difficult. About online- vs. offline advertising, both are based on how well businesses are doing in the real world, and how much they have left for an advertising budget. Of course, it won't be dead and I agree with your reasoning that businesses will aim at services that present the best and most measurable ROI, which includes online advertising on high-traffic sites. Again, low-traffic sites, i.e. start-ups, may suffer, and if the housing-crisis lasts, which is uncertain, I expect the total amount invested in online advertising to fall also. Well no, I don;t disagree with what you are saying. Nevertheless, banks play an important role in financing very early stage start-ups, before even business angels get involved.

A credit-crunch at the bank-level can have a direct effect, but also an indirect one, by making financial decision-making for private investors like business angels more difficult.

About online- vs. offline advertising, both are based on how well businesses are doing in the real world, and how much they have left for an advertising budget. Of course, it won’t be dead and I agree with your reasoning that businesses will aim at services that present the best and most measurable ROI, which includes online advertising on high-traffic sites. Again, low-traffic sites, i.e. start-ups, may suffer, and if the housing-crisis lasts, which is uncertain, I expect the total amount invested in online advertising to fall also.

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By: Jeremy Fain http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/08/30/us-subprime-crunch-impact-on-high-tech/#comment-3118 Jeremy Fain Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:28:07 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2007/08/30/us-subprime-crunch-impact-on-high-tech/#comment-3118 Vince, startups hardly get loans unless they have intellectual property and benefit from government grants to R&D industrialization efforts. About online advertising and why I believe it's not going to suffer any economic downturn: 1) the digital advertising market grows 20% per annum. 2) when you spend 1 euro in offline commercials, it's EXTREMELY HARD to track your ROI, ie know how much revenues an investment of 1 euro will generate. 0? 0.5 euro? 2 euros? 5 euros? You never know. 3) Digital advertising, although it has become expensive because only one player offers a truly pervasive platform (namely, Google - and they should be given credit for their vision of this market), allows such performance trackings. When you spend 1 euro, you know exactly how much it generated in termes of clicks / visits / sales (depending on the pricing you chose). In a downturn, managers get pressurized by the necessity to track all investments and show results. Traditional commercials barely represent a valid option in this respect. Online advertising is a much more accountable solution that will help managers say: "hey, I generate 2 euros in revenues everytime I spend 1 euro whilst you couldn't even track that number last year. How can you not increase my bonus?" Feel free to disagree Vince, sorry for not being crystal clear in my post. Hope visitors will bump on these 2 comments. Vince, startups hardly get loans unless they have intellectual property and benefit from government grants to R&D industrialization efforts.

About online advertising and why I believe it’s not going to suffer any economic downturn: 1) the digital advertising market grows 20% per annum. 2) when you spend 1 euro in offline commercials, it’s EXTREMELY HARD to track your ROI, ie know how much revenues an investment of 1 euro will generate. 0? 0.5 euro? 2 euros? 5 euros? You never know. 3) Digital advertising, although it has become expensive because only one player offers a truly pervasive platform (namely, Google – and they should be given credit for their vision of this market), allows such performance trackings. When you spend 1 euro, you know exactly how much it generated in termes of clicks / visits / sales (depending on the pricing you chose).

In a downturn, managers get pressurized by the necessity to track all investments and show results. Traditional commercials barely represent a valid option in this respect. Online advertising is a much more accountable solution that will help managers say: “hey, I generate 2 euros in revenues everytime I spend 1 euro whilst you couldn’t even track that number last year. How can you not increase my bonus?”

Feel free to disagree Vince, sorry for not being crystal clear in my post. Hope visitors will bump on these 2 comments.

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By: Vincent van Wylick http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/08/30/us-subprime-crunch-impact-on-high-tech/#comment-3119 Vincent van Wylick Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:50:42 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2007/08/30/us-subprime-crunch-impact-on-high-tech/#comment-3119 Wow, a lot of information to digest. I think that a housing-crisis is probably a most damaging problem to an economy of all. People and banks depend on using housing as collateral for loans. A natural consequence would be less consumer-loans and less loans for pre-VC / small start-ups as well. It reminds me a little of the shift that happened in some European countries (e.g. Germany) in the 90s. Banks used to finance a large part of the purchase-price of housing, up to 85% in Germany in some cases. After this seized, it had a lot of consequences for the ability to buy housing of course, but also on the risk-mentality of the people, which often comes from ease that they can purchase credit. I hope this does not happen in the US, but a lowering in entrepreneurial risk-taking may be an effect also... which, if it lasts, will also affect business angels, and eventually venture capitalists. Can you explain how you foresee a shift to online advertising? I seem to remember hearing that general advertising-expenditure would probably fall, which would certainly have consequences on a lot of internet-sites' business-models. Wow, a lot of information to digest.

I think that a housing-crisis is probably a most damaging problem to an economy of all. People and banks depend on using housing as collateral for loans. A natural consequence would be less consumer-loans and less loans for pre-VC / small start-ups as well.

It reminds me a little of the shift that happened in some European countries (e.g. Germany) in the 90s. Banks used to finance a large part of the purchase-price of housing, up to 85% in Germany in some cases. After this seized, it had a lot of consequences for the ability to buy housing of course, but also on the risk-mentality of the people, which often comes from ease that they can purchase credit.

I hope this does not happen in the US, but a lowering in entrepreneurial risk-taking may be an effect also… which, if it lasts, will also affect business angels, and eventually venture capitalists.

Can you explain how you foresee a shift to online advertising? I seem to remember hearing that general advertising-expenditure would probably fall, which would certainly have consequences on a lot of internet-sites’ business-models.

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